very special thanks to jedediah bila and bill schulz and john bolton and melissa manchester. i'm tv's andy levy. see you tomorrow night. "the o'reilly factor" is on. tonight -- >> are we really prepared to say that we're powerless in the face of such carnage? that the politics are too hard? >> president obama hipting he will support some kind of measure to reduce gun violence in america. so what that might be is a mystery. we'll tell what you has worked in some other countries. >> she was the type of person that could just light up a room. she is an incredible person and i'm so blessed to be her dad. >> american children are 13 times more likely to be murdered here than in other developed nations. why? we will try to answer that

question. >> hiding behind the second amendment doesn't cut it anymore. it's time our lawmakers realize that society has changed. >> it took just minutes for some far left pundits to exploit the terrible murders in connecticut for political purposes. bernie goldberg will have thoughts on that. caution. you are about to enter the no spin zone. "the factor" begins right now. >> hi. i'm bill o'reilly. thanks for watching us tonight. what do we do, what do we do about violent evil? that is the subject of this evening's talking points memo. having done extensive research on lee harvey oswald for "killing kennedy," i snow something about violent evil i. saw it firsthand in el salvador and the middle east and i sat across electric it when i interviewed a former ss guard who worked at the concentration camp in germany.

so when i first heard that 20-year-old adam lanza had murdered 27 people, including 20 little children, i pretty much knew a few things about lanza. number one, that he was deeply angry. number two, that he was alienated from most other human beings. number three, that most likely he was deeply involved with the internet. all of those things have now been established. adam lanza could not live his life in a normal way. there has been speculation that he had aspergers syndrome, but that has not been established and that is unfair to knows who have that personality disorder, or autism, to diagnose him without conclusive proof. i give money to autism charity. very few people who have that condition are violent. they have enough to deal with. they don't need to be stigmatized. let's get back to lanza. what can be done about people like him? the answer is very little. we're a reactive society in

america. our freedoms dictate that we can not warehouse people or strange. they must commit a crime or do something destructive before they can be taken into custody. apparently adam lanza did not do those things until the day he committed mass murder. so attention turns to the guns lanza took from his mother whom he killed before the school rampage. there is no question that america does have a gun culture. right now there are nearly 300 million guns in circulation in this country. children ages five to 14 are 13 times as likely to be murdered with guns here as children in other industrialized nations. last year more than 18,000 people committed suicide with a firearm in this country. more than 8,000 were murdered with guns. simply passing laws against gun possession will not stop mass murder. it would be like england banning knives after jack the ripper's killing spree. u.s. constitution allows

americans the right to arm themselves, no question about that. but we can now expect president obama to get behind legislation that would limit what kind of firearms the public can buy. >> are we really prepared to say that we're powerless in the face of such carnage, that the politics are too hard? are we prepared to say that such violence visited on our children year after year after year is somehow the price of our freedom? >> the president speaking last night in newtown, connecticut. he did not specifically say he would call for stricter controls on heavy weapons like the ar 15 rifle lanza used. but it's clear he is heading in that direction. but before congress takes any action, it should study the situations in eastern europe and russia where most guns are banned. hasn't cut down on gun violence, however. as those countries have a higher murder rate than the usa.

also the gun murder rate here in america has almost been cut in half in the past 20 years. talking points wants a sane country with smart public safety measures. do we need semiautomatic rifles to be easily available? that's a worthy debate. and there are strong points on each side. clearly we the people, have to take a tough look at our violent society and find some effective solutions without violating constitutional rights. a very difficult situation, but we have to try. that's a memo. now for the top story, reaction. joinings from phoenix, alan gottlieb, founder of the second amendment foundation, national rifle association, would not provide, would not provide a spokesperson this evening. so do you have any give at all? is there any area that you would compromise as far as new laws making it more difficult to obtain certain weapons? >> first, bill, let me say i thought your talk points were

really excellent. >> thank you. >> if you take a look affidavit the data here, we banned assault rifles one time in 1994. if you look at the national institute of justice's study on that ban that was done in 1999, as well as the university study at the university of california berkeley, hardly a basstive pro-gun rights thought, it showed it had no impact at all on lowering homicide rates. in fact, it had no impact at all on lowering mass murders. in fact, it had no impact at all in the number of bullets that a victim was shot with. so the truth is we already know it doesn't work. but when we tried it last time, what happened? we had a ten-year supply of alt weapons sold in one year before the ban could go into effect and when it was enacted and became effective. bottom line is we're going to see that again this time, too. as every down and you know

it's coming down. i'm going to go along with that. hand guns i say north texas absolutely not. i mean, we need -- we the people doingneed the ability to protect ourselves. an ak 15, i'm not sure we need that. >> well, it's an ak 47 and ar 15, it's easy to confuse. >> i'm sorry. >> i want to get you right on that. we saw -- i like to point out on national television, we saw film footage of korean merchants using these types of firearms on top of their roof tops during the l.a. riots so player place of businesses weren't looted. we watched during hurricane

andrew people using these kind of firearms in front of their homes to stop looting after the hurricane of the little property they had left. they're using sport shooting heavily. these sport utilities -- >> so you say in some cases they're needed to defend -- all right. that's your argument. now, in australia -- >> well, go ahead. >> in australia, they did ban semiautomatic weapons and the crime rate plummeted there. and they say in australia, that was a very effective public policy deal. that happened in 1996. they did a study and said look, hand guns, okay. a little stricter than here, not so much. canada, 60 days to obtain a firearm there. they put you through hoops. you got to jump through hoops all over the place. would either australia or canada, the data there, 'cause much lower gun homicide rate in both of those countries -- would that convince you at all?

>> well, no, because in australia, while it went down immediately after the ban, what happened subsequently is it went back up again. >> not according to the andrew lee of the national university there, who studied ten years homicides fell 59% and suicides 65%. so that's the latest study out of there. >> well, more recent data shows that, in fact, it's coming way back up again. people are also using other weapons to commit crimes if australia as well. >> you know as well as i do that -- in australia, here it's 3.3%. no matter what you do with the stats, it's way below us in australia. that's just a fact. >> that is a fact. but the united states is a whole lot of reasons why we have the violent crime, not just with guns, but other weapons as well. a lot of cultural, economic, social reasons why.

>> i see that. and australia has only 22 million. we have 320 people. canada, again, they have 35 million people. but wouldn't it make a little bit more sense just to tighten things up a little bit? i am a second amendment guy. and i know what the founding fathers' intent was. they wanted americans to be able to defend themselves. there isn't any question about it. but i think we can tighten it up a little, mr. gottlieb. i'll give you the last word. >> bill, like you said in your talking points, new gun laws wouldn't probably stop a crime like this and you're right, they won't. he broke at least 41 laws to begin with. problem here is mental health laws in the united states need to be updated and changed so these people get the treatment they need and they're not walk around -- >> did he not do anything in 20 years that would have warranted any kind of compulsory mental health intervention on his part. so again, it's the same thing. >> we're not sure about that. >> our research shows it right now. new stuff could come in, but

right now there wasn't anything this man did in 20 years that would have warranted -- >> you're talking points, you referenced he was pretty antisocial and didn't quite fit in. >> that's not enough. >> there were warning signs. >> yeah. if there was anything social, it wouldn't be on tv, that's just the way it is. mr. gottlieb, we appreciate your point of view and very interesting discussion. next on the rundown, juan and mary catted republican will react to the talking points memo. later, bernie goldberg on far left pundits exploiting the connecticut violence for political reasons. we're coming right back.

>> announcer: 'tis the season of more-- more shopping, more dining out... and along with it, more identity theft. by the time this holiday season is over, an estimated 1.2 million identities may be stolen. every time you pull out your wallet, shop online or hit the road, you give thieves a chance

to ruin your holiday. by the time you're done watching this, as many as 40 more identities may be stolen. you can't be on the lookout 24/7, but lifelock can. they're relentless about protecting your identity every minute of every day. when someone tries to take over your bank accounts, drain the equity in your home, or even tries to buy a car in your name, lifelock is on guard. and with lifelock's 24/7 alerts, they contact you by text, phone or email as soon as they detect suspicious activity in their network. lifelock wants you to be protected this holiday season, so they're giving you 60 days of protection risk-free. >> my years as a prosecutor taught me that you have to be proactive to protect yourself from crime, and that's especially true of identity theft. that's why i'm a member of lifelock. >> announcer: absolutely no one protects you better than lifelock, and they stand behind their protection with the power of their $1 million service guarantee.

in fact, last year, lifelock protected over two million people during the holidays. and now they can do it for you. try lifelock's protection 60 days risk-free. call the number on your screen or go to lifelock.com/holidays. it only takes minutes to sign up. use promo code: holidays. order now and get a special holiday gift: a document shredder to keep sensitive documents out of the wrong hands... a $29 value, free! call the number on your screen or go online and let lifelock protect your identity for 60 days risk-free. because during the holidays, keeping your identity protected means keeping your family protected. >> bill: how to mitigate gun violence, joining us, mary katherine ham and juan williams. i apologize for the audience for mixing up an ak and ar 15. i'm not a gun guy, but i'm not totally ignorant about the issue, it's just that -- i made a mistake.

so now i look like an idiot, but that's all right. juan, you heard the discussion. you heard the talking points. i'm putting you in charge now. you're president obama's top advisor on this issue. you tell him to do what? >> you know, first of all, i really appreciate your tone tonight. i think that you have america's heart because this is christmas season and the idea of those little kids -- >> bill: we want to protect the kids on every level and if we have to all sacrifice a little bit, i think we should. it's a complicated issue. mr. gottlieb was an excellent guest, by the way. he put forth his point of view with facts, not emotion. wasn't some wingo guy. you got to take that seriously. >> i do. i mean, i think you were right when you cited those numbers about the difference in levels of homicide by gun in the u.s., australia, and you can look at other developed countries. you mentioned canada. it's similar. the three things i would do right away, one is i think the government should be free to

share information in terms of background checks. the guy that did the shooting in virginia, virginia tech, that state judge had found him mentally incompetent. but guess what? the people who were selling guns didn't have access to that information. >> bill: but you're asking for a massive bureaucracy of 360 million people. >> no i'm not. >> bill: i want information to be shared as well. >> okay. >> bill: if you think this kind of a system of information sharing is going to work at all levels, it's just not. >> i think it could. i think it's an improvement. you said let's take small steps. let's do things we agree on. >> bill: the thing is the ar 15. i mean, do we put restrictions like australia has, canada has. britain doesn't have any guns. you can't have any guns there. >> okay. the second thing is background checks. right now if you're an unlicensed gun dealer, you're a collector, you can sell a gun to

anybody without any checks. i think we should have stringent enforcement of background checks. >> bill: can did has that. 60-day waiting period. in this case, lanza's mother bought the guns. >> right. no background check in the world would have stopped him. >> what i'm saying is part of that background should be a full family check. >> bill: you can't do it all family check, juan! that's -- >> why not? >> bill: that's an invasion of privacy! >> i think there's a right to public safety and protecting our children -- did she. >> bill: we'll kick in everybody's door and look at -- >> that's not good. >> bill: that's pie in the sky. you say what, mary katherine? >> i say nobody has yet pointed out the law that would have prehave noted this incident. if it were that easy, we would probably pass that law. but for instance, connecticut and new jersey, the place where is these guys may have been buying or hanging out, or the perpetrator was, have some of the stricter gun laws. there is an assault weapons ban in connecticut, like the 1994

one. so i'm not sure how nationally enforced one would change the fact because an ar 15 which was legal under that ban. so i'm just concerned, i think you were very right, bill, to point out when we're reacting as society, it's not because we're not caring. it's because we have these freedoms which we prize very highly. >> bill: that's right. that's an excellent point. we have a structure here. we have a constitution here that's different than great britain and canada. and there is a reason for it. historically. but that doesn't solve the immediate problem. the immediate problem is basically that you, any american, can get a semiautomatic rifle or pistol and all the rounds you want and you can get it in connecticut -- look, chicago is the toughest gun laws and they're gunning people down like five or six a day. >> the evidence is that doesn't work. i would add also there was legislation passed in the wake of the virginia tech massacre which allowed states and the

federal government to share that mental health information. i do believe it can be a civil lints issue or can be a bureaucratic mess. but that was already passed. >> bill: if you were president obama's advisor, would you advise him to do anything, put forth any new legislation? >> i think some discussion of, like, the tweaking of the intersection of mental health and owning guns could be helpful, like i said in the wake of this past one, something passed and it was supported by the brady campaign and the nra. so you can come together on these things. i think you have to be really careful. there is not a lot of evidence that these laws stop these things. these are crazy people intent on doing them. >> you know, this is just not true. >> you're taking away other people's abilities to defend themselves. >> mary katherine, if you're selling guns in the woods of verge, believe me, there becomes a pipeline to the cities that leads to this kind of carnage and i think we as a country have to have an assault weapons ban and stop selling these large -- >> bill: i got to go. let me ask you one question. >> be honest about the fact

that's what you want to do. in australia, they took guns away from people -- >> bill: hold it! hold it! >> you overreact. >> bill: hold it. i think there should be a uniform thing of all 50 states about who you sell to and information about guns. but juan, the thing about the semiautomatic ban, 300 million guns here. as mr. gottlieb pointed out, they're going to buy them and they're around and the bad guys are going to have them and the good guys aren't. >> you just can't curse the night. you got to do something, bill. >> not if it doesn't work and if you're impeding other people. >> bill: right. you don't make it worse. very interesting debate, you guys. directly ahead, we'll take to you connecticut where bill hemmer is report ago community in agony. he's been there all weekend. we will update you on that american marine being held in a mexican prison. those reports after these messages

>> bill: personal story segment, almost every person i talk with over the weekend was devastated by the murders in newtown, connecticut. you can imagine what it's like in that town this evening. joinings from the scene, fox news anchor bill hemmer. what's the most important thing to you that you saw today? >> wow. i guess what i'm learning about the killer. i guess what i'm learning about the first responders and the killer's mother. let's take the first thing. what i am told is that adam lanza was well-known in this town of sandy hook. he was always the kind of person who just did not fit in. there were people who told me that he would stop on a sidewalk and stare at you and stare at

you and stare at you more until you went and passed by. social settings, he rarely, if ever, talked. so you can imagine if you're a teen-ager growing up here encountering this young man, how do you react and respond to him? part of that, i think, helped to push him further into isolation. this point is key, bill. he had no criminal record. none. ever that the police told us today. >> bill: right. that's a small town. if he were causing trouble on any level, but you can't arrest someone for staring at you. he was a weirdo. theres no doubt about it. and now we find out he was deeply involved with the net, which is always a provocative situation. what it you learn about the mother? >> the mother, remember on friday when there were all these reports she was a teacher at the school and that -- >> bill: they weren't true. >> she never taught here. now they're saying he had no connection to the school. however, at least two people strongly connected to the police

department here in newtown tell me that she volunteered at the school. now, did she teach these kids in that first grade classroom? that's not confirmed. how often did she do it? what class did she teach? we cannot say. but she apparently did have a connection and that was through the volunteer work she did. i mentioned that, bill, 'cause that could be a critical point of evidence in trying to tie the shooter to the school behind me here. >> bill: the funerals have begun, which just makes everything -- compounds the grief. but from what i understand from watching fox news all day today, the town is handling it as well as anybody could handle it, right? there isn't any kind of lashing out or acting out. there is none of that. they're very dignified people. >> yeah. so far i agree with you entirely. you know the stages. shock and then grief. they're in grief now. then it's anger.

i don't think we've really seen the third phase of that. but what i've learned about some of the first responders who arrived on scene at 9:30 in the morning, one was a u.s. marine who served two tours of duty in afghanistan. he's in his mid 20s. he's not talking yet and perhaps will not for some time. he is telling his close friends, bill, that what he found inside that classroom, far exceeds anything he saw in war in afghanistan, the mountains of the deserts of that country, over two different tours of duty. you imagine the help that man is going to need for the rest of his life based on what he saw inside. the other thing i want to pass on to you and your viewers, bill, late on saturday night, i was in one of the restaurants here after a long day of work. the woman sitting next to me, she was absolutely inconsolable, bill. i mean, the tears running down her face and looking at us and telling, you're crying just as much as i am. you're hurting just as much as i am. and i put my arm around her and i said, look, america is crying

with you. but then the man nokes to her, he was just staring off in that 100-yard stare with tears rolling down his face and the woman next to him doing the same thing. then we'd walk out. another group came in and they were doing the same thing. this is a town in absolute mourning. it is a town yet again that you find in tears. two more funerals tomorrow, bill. >> bill: all right. and we're going to do some follow-up reporting on the children who survived and there are going to be grief counselorrers there and the state of connecticut and the governor doing a great job. they're all going to mobilize to help everybody. we appreciate t. thank you very much. plenty more ahead as "the factor" moves along. we'll update you on the former marine incarcerated in the filthy mexican prison for absolutely to reason. you can see him chained. putting pressure on our government to get him released. then bernie goldberg on some far left pundits exploiting the awful situation in connecticut. we hope you stay tuned to those reports

>> bill: factor follow-up. jon hammer proudly served in iraq and afghanistan remains incarcerated in mexico tonight. his mother sent us this picture today showing corporal hammar chained to his prison bed, just across the borrowed prosecutor brownsville, texas. as we reported last week, he is being held on a bogus gun charge. last august he registered an antique firearm with u.s. customs, then crossed the border to check in with mexican

officials carrying paperwork. they promptly arrested him and the obama administration has not been able to get him released. the corporal was taking the gun o costa rica on a hunting trip. joinings from california on the phone, jeremy canoe, been nearly -- spent three years in a mexican prison on a drug charge. you were caught with steroids, correct? >> yes. >> bill: and you knew that being down there with this kind of a situation you were putting yourself in big-time risk? >> absolutely. >> bill: and then when they caught you and you were sentenced to prison, what did you face in prison? what was it like there? >> to sum it up for you, it was hell. the living conditions in there were barely unlivable. the prison i was in was built for 400 people. there was actually 1200 people in there.

i walked into the prison and they put me back into a room with 60 other mexican prisoners and they don't give you no blanket or pillow. they don't give you any clothes, no toothbrush, toilet paper, nothing. you're absolutely given nothing. you're just basically thrown in there like an animal. that's how it was. >> bill: what was the structure? were there guards, a warden? was there exercise? food? what was all that? >> never saw the warden. there were -- yes, there were guards there. the guards there were most of them were pretty corrupt. they would bring you anything that you basically wanted into the prison. if you wanted money brought in or for some people drugs and stuff like that. basically what happened was at 6:00 o'clock in the morning, they would open up the cells. everyone went o a big free for

all all day long, running around the prison. you know, like i said, there was 11, 1200 people in there at a time. so the statistics in there were 800 people out of the 11 or 1200 were all drug addicts. >> bill: the guard would sell the prisoners drugs, narcotics. >> absolutely. >> bill: how about the violence level? >> well, on a daily basis, there were fights. i saw a couple murders. a couple guys stabbed to death. i, unfortunately, was in a couple of fights and was stabbed two different times there in the prison, just basically over money. >> bill: did you think you were gog die in there? >> oh, yes. i honestly thought to myself and i prayed -- i couldn't tell you how many prayers i said while i was there inn there, lord, just

get me out of here. it wasn't an everyday prayer. it was an all-day long prayer. god, please just get me out of here alive. >> bill: how did they get you out? how did you finally get out? >> well, after three different lawyers and pain, these three different lawyers, 70 to $80,000 in american money, none of these -- one of them actually got one of the charges dropped. but i'm still charged with possession of controlled substance. and after 70, $80,000, they all took the money and ran. i actually am thankful to my aunt, my aunt consistently called the united states consulate. after a period of time of calling them and calling them and calling them, they told me i could put in for a transfer and i put in for a transfer.

two years, 2 1/2 years after i was in there. after i did put in the transfer, i got transferred out of there by the united states consulate. >> bill: so they got you out of the country? >> they got me out of the country. >> bill: after all the pressure that your aunt put on them. that's what's going to have to happen in the case of corporal hammar and we'll continue to put the pressure on. jeremy, thanks very much. we appreciate it. when we come back, bernie goldberg on punish exploiting the connecticut situation for political reasons. then why is america so violent? we'll have a disturbing analysis of our great country and we'll be right

>> bill: thanks for staying with us. i'm bill o'reilly. bernie segment. on friday, it just took minutes, minutes for some people on msnbc and other lib rat outlets to direct the story in connecticut from the horror to gun control. >> when we talk about gun violence in this country, we're not talking about second amendment rights. we're talking as i was discussing with the brady campaign officials yesterday, about reasonable background checks, reasonable controls, automatic weaponry and ammo, multiple rounds that cause the greatest amount of violence. >> bill: joining us from miami,

mr. goldberg. we didn't do this on friday. i don't know whether i saw friday's factor. but we had the highest rating, as usual, on the cable news universe. we have didn't do any of that political stuff. >> right. >> bill: because it just wasn't appropriate, you know. >> right. >> bill: the folks wanted to know what happened. they wanted the facts as far as we knew. and they wanted to see the reaction of the people on the scene. they didn't want any of this political stuff. now three days later you can get into it. so when i saw that, i just went, you know, it doesn't really matter what it is, their political agenda overrides every humanistic concern. am i wrong? >> no, you're not, unfortunately. there should be a reasonable period of time when we simply mourn. television is our national cathedral. it's where we all go when there is an american tragedy. we go there to grieve together

and to witness what's going on together. there should be no politics. as you said, it took minutes for some on the left and the media to start in with their gun agenda. but conservative media also used the tragedy and the media to further their agenda. >> bill: how did they do that? >> i'll give two examples. there was talk about how we took god out of the classroom, out of the school room, so we shouldn't be surprised when there is carnage in the schools. >> bill: i got letters saying that. >> there was talk about how we have a million abortions a year, which cheapens life, and that somehow this is related to what happened. indirectly, but somehow related. >> bill: let me ask you something -- >> let me just say, this bill. as if an insane gunman, an insane mentally unstable gunman cares about god and the

classroom or abortion. we know he doesn't. >> bill: okay. i don't think he was insane, by the way. i think he knew right from wrong and maybe that's why he killed himself. >> mentally unstable. >> bill: okay. now, i didn't see that level of -- i got letters saying what do you expect? you take god out of the classroom and we're a society that doesn't value right and wrong anymore. but i didn't see that -- certainly didn't happen on the fox news channel. i didn't see it. >> yes, it did. yes, it did. >> bill: i didn't see it. >> yeah. >> bill: all right. >> happened on the fox news channel. >> bill: was it front and center? 'cause it didn't happen on this program and i was watching prime time and i didn't see a lot of that. >> well, no. there is more of it on the left because -- look, everybody in the media has a role. that's the unfortunate thing. that's why i'm disgusted with both sides. everybody has a role in the media. so the left immediately, immediately -- >> bill: ban guns. >> you know what? let's not let any tragedy go to waste.

so they immediately jump on this to further the agenda that they've got about guns. an agenda, by the way, when it comes to assault weapons, i'll say it, keep the letters -- i don't want to hear from you -- that i agree with. i don't think we need assault weapons in our culture. i believe in the second amendment. i'm not antigun. but i think we don't need that. but the right also jumps on these things to further its agenda. bill, i wrote a column on my web site today. it was mostly about the incredibly difficult problem of how to deal with people who are walking time bombs who simply are a little different, they seem odd. what do you do with those people? and i mentioned in this column that i was also in favor of a ban on assault weapons. almost every single comment afterward didn't mention the mental illness part, which is

what the column was about. they want assault weapons and you know why? this is something that the big names and conservative media don't have the guts to say out loud. you know why they want assault weapons? they don't want it to proceed they can't selves from common criminals. they want it to protect themselves from the federal government. that's what it's about. >> bill: also a level of paranoia on the far right that certainly -- you know. the founding fathers put that clause in there because there was fear back then that the government would turn oppressive and that's a historic fact. >> they think barak obama wants to take their guns away and that he's going to send troops into their homes. >> bill: if barak obama sends troops into the homes, the assault weapons is not going to help them. the troops are going to be able to go into the home no matter what they have. my talking points i tried to be fair. and i tried to put forth a calm down everybody, let's work on this problem see if we can find

a solution that actual hee works. i think that's the goal here. thanks very much. up next, why is america so violent? a disturbing question. we'll try to answer it upcoming

>> bill: as we told you in the talking points memo, statistics prove the usa is a violent nation even though violent crime rates are dropping. obviously we still have far too many people dying in the streets from gun shots and other violent actions. here is what connecticut governor dan malloy said. >> this is a violent world. we are particularly violent country within that world. and if someone wants to do an act like this, they're going to find a way to do it if it's not

in a building, it could be outside. >> bill: joining us from washington, mary ellen o'tool, former senior profile with the f.b.i. and lieutenant colonel dave grossman, retired army. the author of the book "stop teaching our kids to kill, call to action against tv, game movie violence." colonel, i love the war games when i was a kid. i had guns, i ran around. i watched the westerns. as i grew to an adult, i didn't have much interest in guns or violence or any of that. so are you sure there is a correlation between what children see on tv and movies and all of that and how they behave? >> bill, when i was a kid, we never buckled our seatbelts. every kid i know never buckled their seatbelts and we were all just fine. but buckling the kids in a seat is a darn smart idea and it saved lives. what we're talking about here is a causal factor in the equation.

i'm our nation's number one law enforcement trainer. more contact hours, more contact days than anybody in america. i got a best selling video series for citizens, mental prepared for the battle. and we are doing what these video games, these simulators, these murder simulators, we are providing the same conditioning and the same training to children that we provide to adults in high quality videos and simulations that we provide to military and law enforcement in simulators. these are murder simulators. they rehearse the action. there has never been a juvenile mass murderer in the school in human history until a double homicide in the late '70s. today juvenile mass murders are everywhere. >> bill: so you think it's the video game, internet culture that's so intense, so personal because it's unlike watching tv or a movie, sitting in a big theater with other people. this is very personal, it's you and the screen and you are actually doing the shooting. but i'll submit to you, colonel, that 99 out of 100 children who

play those games aren't violent children. it's the one that has something going on that acts out. >> you know, 99 of 100 kids can go a lifetime with no seatbelt on. but it's the one in 100 that doesn't have -- >> bill: do you want to ban all of those games? >> what we need to do, bill, is we need to understand that the very sickest games and the very sickest movies are very, very sick indeed and the kids who gave us jonesboro in the middle school, columbine in the high, virginia tech in the colleges are now adults giving us aurora, colorado and sandy hook schools. >> bill: do you see a direct correlation. miss o'tool, do you think that society is becoming more violent because of this internet and mass media concentration on it? >> my experience is that there are people in the united states who have a propensity for violence and i understand that that's a strong statement, but that's been my experience. >> bill: more so than other

countries? more so than australia and canada and great britain where? we're more violent? >> the quality of our violence is different and when i really took note of that, especially when it comes to mass homicides, with adolescents and young adults is following columbine. that really presented a new normal for us. and that propensity for violence can be exacerbated, can be increased by variables like how you're raised, what you view on tv or video games for a small group of people that are significantly but negatively influenced by negative stimuli like violent videos, violent movies. >> bill: what is the difference between a child who has a propensity for violence here in the united states and one in canada? i don't know what the difference is. >> let me give you an angle. stanford med school control double blind medical research

demonstrated and we turn off tv, movie and video games in the school, we immediately cut violence in half. we raise test scores double digits. it's the most effective juvenile obesity reduction program ever demonstrated. here is solid research that's been replicated in entire school districts. >> bill: they have those stimulation factors in canada and australia and great britain. >> they do. canada had alberta. this is a world wide phenomenon. wherever there is a media violence, this is not just america. in belgium, a sicko got in the di care center with a butcher knife and hacked 12 little babies in cribs. >> bill: it just seems that we have more of a concentration of it here. all right. very interesting discussion. i'm going to continue it. i've got to break now. i'll bring you guys back. thank you. factor tip of the day. whether the war on christmas is legit. the tip 60 seconds away

>> the tip of the what you think of the christmas tree reporting. we are extending the amazing word promotion and if you buy any one of my three best sellers. you get this book free. you get two gifts for a modest price and if you get bill o' reilly. and that is two gifts and thru g. and spend more than $20. we'll send you this